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As we see lot of miseries, blood shed, and human suffering all over the world. But when we see people with long hair and beard in some place of world do we believe that there is no barber in that area.
Not really, we understand that these people do not want to go to the barber, due to their own philosophy.
Similarly people who have not realized the glory of the LORD and do not go to HIM find that there is no GOD in this Creation. The question is how this creation came to existence when there is no one like HIM ?
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Dr.Ratan Saini
Nov 15 2008
Agra,
India
If People do not goto HIM how they can realise HIS creation and understand about HIS plan?
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(Local Perspectives)
we need not go any where first let us know what god is
for me it is my conscience
i am not meant to be one to ponder over the concept
i tried but got more confused
so will stick to a simple design which is within my domain of understanding
for me it is my conscience
i am not meant to be one to ponder over the concept
i tried but got more confused
so will stick to a simple design which is within my domain of understanding
(Local Perspectives)
The learning is an unending process and continues till the last day on this life. If one keeps the eyes and ears open, can learn unthinkable concepts and phenomenon.
(Local Perspectives)
Shiv’
You are right ;no amount of logic can lead you to discover God for he is way beyond what our brains can comprehend or understand or explain -or even our senses feel.In fact if we could do that he would not remain the Supreme God of our defination.
But the good Dr is right too;he will reveal himself to you -but how can he if you do not make any effort to see?
You are right ;no amount of logic can lead you to discover God for he is way beyond what our brains can comprehend or understand or explain -or even our senses feel.In fact if we could do that he would not remain the Supreme God of our defination.
But the good Dr is right too;he will reveal himself to you -but how can he if you do not make any effort to see?
(Global Perspectives)
True, if we move out one step towards HIM, HE moves 100 steps towards us.
(Local Perspectives)
you see Mr.Ratan...people don’t think when tHey breathe...or when their heart BEATS AND WHY...
but when it comes to God..they start thinking...
very accomodative...
people don’t believe coz some think too much...if they just feel it...the job is done...
and besides by the time they are done with thinking they will come to the conclusion...
”what was i thinking all the while”
key word then is to BELIEVE...which I do!
PROUDLY!
but when it comes to God..they start thinking...
very accomodative...
people don’t believe coz some think too much...if they just feel it...the job is done...
and besides by the time they are done with thinking they will come to the conclusion...
”what was i thinking all the while”
key word then is to BELIEVE...which I do!
PROUDLY!
(Local Perspectives)
Problem is of understanding the truth and then following a path which can enlighten us.
(Local Perspectives)
Shahwar k’
It is nice to know you believe;but belief devoid of knowledge is impossible;rather it is no belief only trust in what someone-may be your mama and papa- told you.
It is nice to know you believe;but belief devoid of knowledge is impossible;rather it is no belief only trust in what someone-may be your mama and papa- told you.
(Global Perspectives)
why can not we look for peace & happiness
i use destiny to keep my self balanced in any situation
i use god to pray so that i can reinforce my sub conscious mind with positive thoughts
i am more of a thinker & less of a feeler so this works for me
but each to his own
i use destiny to keep my self balanced in any situation
i use god to pray so that i can reinforce my sub conscious mind with positive thoughts
i am more of a thinker & less of a feeler so this works for me
but each to his own
(Local Perspectives)
Very true. We must pray to HIM for all HIS Help, Grace and Mercy.
(Local Perspectives)
Dr. Ratan..
I totally agree with your logic .. but just have a problem similar to your raise problem, ”The question is how this creation came to existence when there is no one like HIM ? ”
How did the creation of HIM came into existence?
For atheists like me ,, we have answer that it is us who made HIM...
And if in a place all the people are bald, do we take that all are infected with disease ? or is that there are hyperactive barber and such philosophy prevalent ?
It is just a matter of personal view which can be only understood through proper questioning .. not giving such logics? what do you say
I totally agree with your logic .. but just have a problem similar to your raise problem, ”The question is how this creation came to existence when there is no one like HIM ? ”
How did the creation of HIM came into existence?
For atheists like me ,, we have answer that it is us who made HIM...
And if in a place all the people are bald, do we take that all are infected with disease ? or is that there are hyperactive barber and such philosophy prevalent ?
It is just a matter of personal view which can be only understood through proper questioning .. not giving such logics? what do you say
(Local Perspectives)
If we wants to learn the logic of the creation we can do so very easily with no ifs and buts by understanding the simple truth that we are HIS creation sent here to refine our self by doing HIS worship and doing good to our fellow brothers and sisters.
Once we are able to please HIM by our efforts we can get liberation from this cycle of death and birth for ever and get permanent peace in HIS Holy Feet.
No logic can satisfy any person who has formed a firm opinion about this creation as mentioned above by Arjun and has some belief that people who believe in HIM are not wise.
Once we are able to please HIM by our efforts we can get liberation from this cycle of death and birth for ever and get permanent peace in HIS Holy Feet.
No logic can satisfy any person who has formed a firm opinion about this creation as mentioned above by Arjun and has some belief that people who believe in HIM are not wise.
(Local Perspectives)
One must be NO peasant to eat, Dr. Ratan Saini.
(Global Perspectives)
This word is full of people of all kinds but one do not understand the meaning of the words who is ignorant of that style of language.
(Local Perspectives)
I am not an Atheist, I believe in a supreme power....which is above everything….. Call it Krishna, Jesus or Allah. I don’t believe in religion.
But why did God create bad people???
But why did God create bad people???
(Global Perspectives)
The spirits which are positive in spirituality are with the Supreme Lord and those which have negative spirituality have been sent to this part of creation to get purified.
We do learn from our mistakes here and gradually improve to get permanent place in HIS Holy Feet.
We do learn from our mistakes here and gradually improve to get permanent place in HIS Holy Feet.
(Local Perspectives)
Maya Shaji,
”But why did God create bad people???”Why not add also why did he create illness;misery;poverty etc etc?
My question would be what makes you so sure he created the bad people ’and that they were not made bad because of their own actions;or illnesses started because of man’s follies; or that misery and poverty ..and wars are not the work of man for which he blames God needlessly?
”But why did God create bad people???”Why not add also why did he create illness;misery;poverty etc etc?
My question would be what makes you so sure he created the bad people ’and that they were not made bad because of their own actions;or illnesses started because of man’s follies; or that misery and poverty ..and wars are not the work of man for which he blames God needlessly?
(Global Perspectives)
I’d found this now accidentally:
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/whyptaylor.htm
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/whyptaylor.htm
(Global Perspectives)
An own summary view will give a better picture than a full blurred link.
(Local Perspectives)
Michael,
I am glad you found this link ; but I am sure since it suits your thinking;you did not give it the grilling it deserves.
there are so many fallacies in this ;but some one who would like to believe there is no God, will over look them all.
e.g. religion controls through fear is an often repeated statement made by people who equate religion only with what is taught them by their every day priests.They accept this statement but choose not to reason if this were true fear never made anyone brave or selfless ...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs.
I am glad you found this link ; but I am sure since it suits your thinking;you did not give it the grilling it deserves.
there are so many fallacies in this ;but some one who would like to believe there is no God, will over look them all.
e.g. religion controls through fear is an often repeated statement made by people who equate religion only with what is taught them by their every day priests.They accept this statement but choose not to reason if this were true fear never made anyone brave or selfless ...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs.
(Global Perspectives)
Dr. R. Saini,
A view on Mumbai recently really distracts from an Eastern part of a country where of 10 000 Christians left their places a thousand found refuge in the UN camps these days.
Mr.H. Rizvi,
It seems you missed my reply:
”...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs” - Hassan Rizvi, do YOU really believe in it???”
A view on Mumbai recently really distracts from an Eastern part of a country where of 10 000 Christians left their places a thousand found refuge in the UN camps these days.
Mr.H. Rizvi,
It seems you missed my reply:
”...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs” - Hassan Rizvi, do YOU really believe in it???”
(Global Perspectives)
There are number of such pages like God Loves You
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If one just looks for bulk of reading on the topic.
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If one just looks for bulk of reading on the topic.
(Local Perspectives)
Majority of human beings believe what they see. Nobody in this world can force anyone to follow a specific religion or to worship god. Science has no proofs that could unravel the mystery of God, ghosts etc. So, its totally one’s own choice. Perhaps, its not compulsury to worship b coz all that matters is to be a good human and understand the principles of Humanism
(Local Perspectives)
”...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs” - Hassan Rizvi, do YOU really believe in it???
(Global Perspectives)
Most of us when we are in the middle of so many problems we began to ask our self if there really is God. But don’t you think it is amazing that even though we experience problems, we are still alive and able to solve those things? Well, it is just a proof that there is really God after all.
(Global Perspectives)
वाक़ई मे भगवान नहीं है| मैं दावे के साथ कह सकता हूँ की संत महंत और जो भी अपनी जिन्दगी भगवान के नाम से गुजरा किया, उनसे बेहतर यह बात कोई नहीं जानते हैं| एक समय ऐसा आता है जब स्वयं मालूम हो जाता है की इश्वर का विचार एक विचार मात्र से बढ़ कर कुछ नहीं है| लेकिन जो लोग इश्वर के नाम से दुनिया मे अच्छे काम कर रहे हैं, उनके लिए मेरे मन मे श्रधा है| लेकिन अगर कोई बोले की वह भगवान से मिलते है, भगवन से बातें करते है, फिर तो वह एक ढोंगी है या फिर पागल या मादक द्रव्यों का सेवक|
और एक बात कहना चाहूँगा यहाँ| धर्म और इश्वर के बीच कोई सम्बन्ध नहीं है| लेकिन हमने अभी दोनों को गलत तरीके से एक दूसरे से जोड़ दिया है|
मैं स्वयं एक धार्मिक व्यक्ति हूँ, परन्तु इश्वर नहीं मानता| मानने का कोई कारण मुझे नहीं दीखता है|
और एक बात कहना चाहूँगा यहाँ| धर्म और इश्वर के बीच कोई सम्बन्ध नहीं है| लेकिन हमने अभी दोनों को गलत तरीके से एक दूसरे से जोड़ दिया है|
मैं स्वयं एक धार्मिक व्यक्ति हूँ, परन्तु इश्वर नहीं मानता| मानने का कोई कारण मुझे नहीं दीखता है|
(Local Perspectives)
What a contradictory statement. Can u explain why you call your self religious person?
(Local Perspectives)
Well if you want to search God look inside yourself you will find Him or here there only, so its just what you you feel, what you think, you can find Him or her anywhere you want to. Since we born we are told that some supreme power is there who takes care of all. And afterthat our mind is set accordingly that one Almighty rules over us. But when these kinds of bloodshed happens we start to question over His existence and people start saying that there is no God but the reality is He exist, He is there with us all the time and we should believe in Him. When anything wrong happens we start saying is no God and when something good happens we give all credit to Him only.
Without a creator there would be no creation, so we cannot say that we are here on this earth without a creator. There is someone behind us whom we cannot give a perfect shape, size but He exist thyat what I believe and its my personal thinking Iam not saying anyone to belive on it.
Without a creator there would be no creation, so we cannot say that we are here on this earth without a creator. There is someone behind us whom we cannot give a perfect shape, size but He exist thyat what I believe and its my personal thinking Iam not saying anyone to belive on it.
(Local Perspectives)
People do not know what they are and what they are capable of?
(Local Perspectives)
Michael,
Sorry for the late reply.i had taken a few days leave from instablog to allow saner heads to prevail post Mumbai.
Of course I believe it.Forget the martial and military exploit of religious crusaders and mujahids;just look at the peaceful civilian types of each faith the the mullahs,the Priests,the Rabbis etc ,and the ordeals dangers and sacrifice they can make for their faiths.
And in every age ,the motivation of every fighter for any king or nation has also needed to be reinforced by the motivation of faith for success.
Sorry for the late reply.i had taken a few days leave from instablog to allow saner heads to prevail post Mumbai.
Of course I believe it.Forget the martial and military exploit of religious crusaders and mujahids;just look at the peaceful civilian types of each faith the the mullahs,the Priests,the Rabbis etc ,and the ordeals dangers and sacrifice they can make for their faiths.
And in every age ,the motivation of every fighter for any king or nation has also needed to be reinforced by the motivation of faith for success.
(Global Perspectives)
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