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Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If People do not goto HIM how they can realise HIS creation and understand about HIS plan?

Shiv

Shiv — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

we need not go any where first let us know what god is

for me it is my conscience

i am not meant to be one to ponder over the concept

i tried but got more confused

so will stick to a simple design which is within my domain of understanding

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The learning is an unending process and continues till the last day on this life. If one keeps the eyes and ears open, can learn unthinkable concepts and phenomenon.

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Shiv’

You are right ;no amount of logic can lead you to discover God for he is way beyond what our brains can comprehend or understand or explain -or even our senses feel.In fact if we could do that he would not remain the Supreme God of our defination.

But the good Dr is right too;he will reveal himself to you -but how can he if you do not make any effort to see?

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

True, if we move out one step towards HIM, HE moves 100 steps towards us.

Shahwar K

Shahwar K — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

you see Mr.Ratan...people don’t think when tHey breathe...or when their heart BEATS AND WHY...

but when it comes to God..they start thinking...

very accomodative...

people don’t believe coz some think too much...if they just feel it...the job is done...

and besides by the time they are done with thinking they will come to the conclusion...

”what was i thinking all the while”

key word then is to BELIEVE...which I do!

PROUDLY!

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Problem is of understanding the truth and then following a path which can enlighten us.

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Shahwar k’

It is nice to know you believe;but belief devoid of knowledge is impossible;rather it is no belief only trust in what someone-may be your mama and papa- told you.

Shiv

Shiv — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

why can not we look for peace & happiness

i use destiny to keep my self balanced in any situation

i use god to pray so that i can reinforce my sub conscious mind with positive thoughts

i am more of a thinker & less of a feeler so this works for me

but each to his own

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Very true. We must pray to HIM for all HIS Help, Grace and Mercy.

Arjun

Arjun — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dr. Ratan..

I totally agree with your logic .. but just have a problem similar to your raise problem, ”The question is how this creation came to existence when there is no one like HIM ? ”

How did the creation of HIM came into existence?

For atheists like me ,, we have answer that it is us who made HIM...

And if in a place all the people are bald, do we take that all are infected with disease ? or is that there are hyperactive barber and such philosophy prevalent ?

It is just a matter of personal view which can be only understood through proper questioning .. not giving such logics? what do you say

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If we wants to learn the logic of the creation we can do so very easily with no ifs and buts by understanding the simple truth that we are HIS creation sent here to refine our self by doing HIS worship and doing good to our fellow brothers and sisters.

Once we are able to please HIM by our efforts we can get liberation from this cycle of death and birth for ever and get permanent peace in HIS Holy Feet.

No logic can satisfy any person who has formed a firm opinion about this creation as mentioned above by Arjun and has some belief that people who believe in HIM are not wise.

Michael Kerjman

Michael Kerjman — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

One must be NO peasant to eat, Dr. Ratan Saini.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This word is full of people of all kinds but one do not understand the meaning of the words who is ignorant of that style of language.

Maya

Maya — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I am not an Atheist, I believe in a supreme power....which is above everything….. Call it Krishna, Jesus or Allah. I don’t believe in religion.

But why did God create bad people???

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The spirits which are positive in spirituality are with the Supreme Lord and those which have negative spirituality have been sent to this part of creation to get purified.

We do learn from our mistakes here and gradually improve to get permanent place in HIS Holy Feet.

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Maya Shaji,

”But why did God create bad people???”Why not add also why did he create illness;misery;poverty etc etc?

My question would be what makes you so sure he created the bad people ’and that they were not made bad because of their own actions;or illnesses started because of man’s follies; or that misery and poverty ..and wars are not the work of man for which he blames God needlessly?

Michael Kerjman

Michael Kerjman — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I’d found this now accidentally:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/whyptaylor.htm

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

An own summary view will give a better picture than a full blurred link.

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Michael,

I am glad you found this link ; but I am sure since it suits your thinking;you did not give it the grilling it deserves.

there are so many fallacies in this ;but some one who would like to believe there is no God, will over look them all.

e.g. religion controls through fear is an often repeated statement made by people who equate religion only with what is taught them by their every day priests.They accept this statement but choose not to reason if this were true fear never made anyone brave or selfless ...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs.

Michael Kerjman

Michael Kerjman — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dr. R. Saini,

A view on Mumbai recently really distracts from an Eastern part of a country where of 10 000 Christians left their places a thousand found refuge in the UN camps these days.

Mr.H. Rizvi,

It seems you missed my reply:

”...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs” - Hassan Rizvi, do YOU really believe in it???”

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

There are number of such pages like God Loves You

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BxQsCzRghSbOgBYbg0Abfg8GKCMyS_X748LiuA8CNtwGQvwUQARgBINLevwMoAjgAUPmvwNYFYOWq6YPkDqABzI_v_gOyARtkcnJhdGFuc2FpbmkuaW5zdGFibG9ncy5jb226AQk0Njh4NjBfYXPIAQHaAUpodHRwOi8vZHJyYXRhbnNhaW5pLmluc3RhYmxvZ3MuY29tL2VudHJ5L3doeS1wZW9wbGUtdGhpbmstdGhlcmUtaXMtbm8tZ29kL4ACAagDAcgDB_UDCAAAAPUDAAgAAJgEAA&num=1&adurl=http://www.jesus2020.com&client=ca-pub-9415440757655812&nm=7

and Why God Allows Suffering http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BUrvczRghSbOgBYbg0Abfg8GKCJGE8k6rkqDJBcCNtwGQvwUQAhgCINLevwMoAjgAUMqvp9r6_____wFg5arpg-QOsgEbZHJyYXRhbnNhaW5pLmluc3RhYmxvZ3MuY29tugEJNDY4eDYwX2FzyAEB2gFKaHR0cDovL2RycmF0YW5zYWluaS5pbnN0YWJsb2dzLmNvbS9lbnRyeS93aHktcGVvcGxlLXRoaW5rLXRoZXJlLWlzLW5vLWdvZC-oAwHIAwf1AwgAAAD1AwAIAACYBAA&num=2&adurl=http://www.godforgives.info/articles/Suffering.htm&client=ca-pub-9415440757655812&nm=28

If one just looks for bulk of reading on the topic.

Isha Kapoor

Isha Kapoor — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Majority of human beings believe what they see. Nobody in this world can force anyone to follow a specific religion or to worship god. Science has no proofs that could unravel the mystery of God, ghosts etc. So, its totally one’s own choice. Perhaps, its not compulsury to worship b coz all that matters is to be a good human and understand the principles of Humanism

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Very truly said.

Michael Kerjman

Michael Kerjman — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”...and religiously motivated people are often the bravest and the most motivated in their beliefs” - Hassan Rizvi, do YOU really believe in it???
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Joan

Joan — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Most of us when we are in the middle of so many problems we began to ask our self if there really is God. But don’t you think it is amazing that even though we experience problems, we are still alive and able to solve those things? Well, it is just a proof that there is really God after all.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Very true.

Jayanta Bhattacharya

Jayanta Bhattacharya — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

वाक़ई मे भगवान नहीं है| मैं दावे के साथ कह सकता हूँ की संत महंत और जो भी अपनी जिन्दगी भगवान के नाम से गुजरा किया, उनसे बेहतर यह बात कोई नहीं जानते हैं| एक समय ऐसा आता है जब स्वयं मालूम हो जाता है की इश्वर का विचार एक विचार मात्र से बढ़ कर कुछ नहीं है| लेकिन जो लोग इश्वर के नाम से दुनिया मे अच्छे काम कर रहे हैं, उनके लिए मेरे मन मे श्रधा है| लेकिन अगर कोई बोले की वह भगवान से मिलते है, भगवन से बातें करते है, फिर तो वह एक ढोंगी है या फिर पागल या मादक द्रव्यों का सेवक|

और एक बात कहना चाहूँगा यहाँ| धर्म और इश्वर के बीच कोई सम्बन्ध नहीं है| लेकिन हमने अभी दोनों को गलत तरीके से एक दूसरे से जोड़ दिया है|

मैं स्वयं एक धार्मिक व्यक्ति हूँ, परन्तु इश्वर नहीं मानता| मानने का कोई कारण मुझे नहीं दीखता है|

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

What a contradictory statement. Can u explain why you call your self religious person?

Kalpana Tripathi

Kalpana Tripathi — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well if you want to search God look inside yourself you will find Him or here there only, so its just what you you feel, what you think, you can find Him or her anywhere you want to. Since we born we are told that some supreme power is there who takes care of all. And afterthat our mind is set accordingly that one Almighty rules over us. But when these kinds of bloodshed happens we start to question over His existence and people start saying that there is no God but the reality is He exist, He is there with us all the time and we should believe in Him. When anything wrong happens we start saying is no God and when something good happens we give all credit to Him only.

Without a creator there would be no creation, so we cannot say that we are here on this earth without a creator. There is someone behind us whom we cannot give a perfect shape, size but He exist thyat what I believe and its my personal thinking Iam not saying anyone to belive on it.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

People do not know what they are and what they are capable of?

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Michael,

Sorry for the late reply.i had taken a few days leave from instablog to allow saner heads to prevail post Mumbai.

Of course I believe it.Forget the martial and military exploit of religious crusaders and mujahids;just look at the peaceful civilian types of each faith the the mullahs,the Priests,the Rabbis etc ,and the ordeals dangers and sacrifice they can make for their faiths.

And in every age ,the motivation of every fighter for any king or nation has also needed to be reinforced by the motivation of faith for success.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for the comments.